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Lucian
of Samosata
Zeus
Cross-Examined
The
Debate Begins: What is Fate?
Cyn. Zeus, I am not going to trouble you with the requests for
a fortune or a throne; you get prayers enough of that sort from other
people, and from your habit of convenient deafness I gather that you
experience a difficulty in answering them. But there is one thing
that I should like, which would cost you no trouble to grant.
Zeus. Well, Cyniscus? You shall not be disappointed, if
your expectations are as reasonable as you say.
Cyn. I want to ask you a plain question.
Zeus. Such a modest petition is soon granted; ask what you
will.
Cyn. Well then: you know your Homer and Hesiod, of course?
Is it all true that they sing of Destiny and the Fates- that whatever
they spin for a man at his birth must inevitably come about?
Zeus. Unquestionably. Nothing is independent of their
control. From their spindle hangs the life of all created things, whose
destiny is predetermined even from the moment of their birth; and that law knows
no change.
Cyn. Then when Homer says, for instance, in another place,
"Lest unto Hell thou go, outstripping fate," he is talking
nonsense, of course?
Zeus. Absolute nonsense. Such a thing is impossible:
the law of the Fates, the thread of Destiny, is over all. No; so
long as the poets are under the inspiration of the Muses, they speak
truth: but once let those Goddesses leave them to their own
devices, and they make blunders and contradict themselves. Nor
can we blame them: they are but men; how should they know truth,
when the divinity whose mouthpieces they were is departed from them?
Cyn. That point is settled, then. But there is another
thing I want to know. There are three fates, are there not,--Clotho,
Lachesis, and Atropus?
Zeus. Quite so.
Cyn. But one also hears a great deal about Destiny
and Fortune. Who are they, and what is the extent of their power?
Is it equal to that of the Fates? Or greater perhaps? People
are always talking about the insuperable might of Fortune and
Destiny.
Zeus. It is not proper, Cyniscus, that you should know all.
But what made you ask me about the Fates?
The
Futility of Religious Sacrifice and Prayer
Cyn. Ah, you must tell one thing more first. Do the
Fates also control you Gods? Do you depend from their thread?
Zeus. We do. Why do you smile?
Cyn. I was thinking of that bit in Homer, where he makes
you address the Gods in council, and all the Gods together, if they
liked, might take hold of it and try to pull you down, and they would
never do it: whereas you, if you had a mind to it, could easily pull
them up, "and
Earth and Sea withal." I
listened to that passage with shuddering reverence; I was much impressed
with the idea of your strength. Yet now I understand that you and
your cord and your threats all depend from a mere cobweb. It seems
to me Clotho should be the one to boast: she has you dangling from
her distaff, like a sprat at the end of a fishing-line.
Zeus. I do not catch the drift of your questions.
Cyn. Come, I will speak my mind; and in the name of Destiny
and the Fates take not my candor amiss. If the case is unalterable, then
why do men sacrifice to you, and bring hecatombs, and pray for good at your
hands? If our prayers can neither save us from evil nor procure us
any boon from Heaven, I fail to see what we get for our trouble.
Zeus: These are nice questions! I see how it
is,---you
have been with the sophists; accursed race! who would deny us all concern
in human affairs. Yes, these are just the points they raise,
impiously seeking to pervert mankind from the way of sacrifice and
prayer: it is all thrown away, forsooth! The Gods take no though
for mankind; they have no power on the earth. Ah well; they will be
sorry for it some day.
Cyn. Now, by Clotho's own spindle, my questions are free from
all sophistic taint. How it has come about, I know not; but one
word has brought up another, and the end of it is-there is no use in
sacrifice. Let us begin again. I will put you a few more
questions; answer me frankly, but think before you speak, this time.
Zeus. Well; if you have the time to waste on such
tomfoolery.
Even
the God's Are Pawns of Fate
Cyn. Everything proceeds from the Fates, you say?
Zeus. Yes.
Cyn. And is it in your power to unspin what they have spun?
Zeus. It is not.
Cyn. Shall I proceed, or is the inference clear?
Zeus. Oh, clear enough. But you seem to think that
people sacrifice to us from ulterior motives; that they are driving a
bargain with us, buying blessings, as it were: not at all; it is a
disinterested testimony to our superior merit.
Cyn. There you are, then. As you say, sacrifice answers
no useful purpose; it is just our good-natured way of acknowledging your
superiority. And mind you, if we had a sophist here, he would want
to know all about that superiority. You are our fellow slaves, he
would say; if the Fates are our mistresses, they are also yours.
Your immortality will not serve you; that only makes things worse.
We mortals, after all, are liberated by death; but for you there is no
end to end to the evil; that long thread of yours mean eternal
servitude.
Zeus. But this eternity is an eternity of happiness; the
life of Gods is one round of blessings.
Cyn. Not all Gods' lives. Even in Heaven there are
distinctions, not to say mismanagement. You are
happy, of course: you are king, and you can haul up earth and sea as it
were a bucket from the well. But look at Hephaestus: a cripple; a
common blacksmith. Look at Prometheus: he gets nailed up on
Caucasus. And I need not remind you that your own father lies
fettered in Tartarus at this hour. It seems, too, that Gods are
liable to fall in love; and to receive wounds; nay, they may even have
to take service with mortal men; witness your brother Poseidon, and
Apollo, servants to Laomedon and to Admetus. I see no great
happiness in all this; some of you I dare say have a very pleasant time
of it, but not so others. I might have added, that you are subject
to robbery like the rest of us; your temples get plundered, and the
richest of you becomes a pauper in the twinkling of an eye. To
more than one of you it has even happened to be melted down, if he was a
gold or a silver God. All destiny, of course.
Zeus. Take care, Cyniscus; you are going too far. You
will repent of this one day.
Cyn. Spare your
threats: you know that nothing can happen to me, except what Fate has
settled first. I notice, for instance, that even temple-robbers do
not always get punished; most of them, indeed slip through your hands.
Not destined to be caught, I suppose.
Zeus. I knew it! you are one of those who would abolish
Providence.
Cyn. You seem to be very much afraid of these gentlemen,
for some reason. Not one word can I say, but you must think I
picked it up from them. Oblige me by answering another question;
I could desire no better authority than yours. What is this
Providence? Is she a Fate too? or something greater, a mistress
of the Fates?
Zeus. I have already told you that there are things which it
is not proper for you to know. You said you were only going to ask
me one question, instead of which you go on quibbling without end.
I see what it is you are at: you want to make out that we Gods take no
thought for human affairs.
Cyn. It is nothing to do with me: it was you who said just now
that the Fates ordained everything. Have you thought better of it?
Are you going to retract what you said? Are the Gods going to push
Destiny aside and make a bid for government?
Zeus. Not at all; but the Fates work through us.
Cyn. I suppose it is pretty much the same as with a
carpenter's adze and drill: they do assist him in his work, but no
one would describe them as the workmen: we do not say that a ship has
been turned out by such and such an adze, or by such and such a drill;
we name the shipwright. In the same way, Destiny and the Fates are
the universal shipwrights, and you are their drills and adzes; and it
seems to me that instead of paying their respects and their sacrifices
to you, men ought to sacrifice to Destiny, and implore her
favors; though even that would not meet the case, because I take it
that things are settled once and for all, and that the Fates themselves
are not at liberty to chop and change. If some one gave the
spindle a turn in the wrong direction, and undid all Clotho's work,
Atropus would have something to say on the subject.
Zeus. So! You would deprive even the Fates of honour?
You seem determined to reduce all to one level. Well, we Gods have
at least one claim on you: we do prophesy and foretell what the Fates
have disposed.
Cyn. Now even granting that you do, what is the use of
knowing what one has to expect, when one can by no possibility take any
precautions? Are you going to tell me that a man who finds
out that he is to die by a steel point can escape the doom by shutting
himself up? Not he. Fate will take him out hunting, and
there will be his steel: Adrastus will hurl his spear at the
boar, miss the brute, and get Croesus's son; Fate's inflexible law
directs his aim. The full absurdity of the thing is seen in the
case of Laius:
Seek
not for offspring in the Gods' despite:
Beget
a child, and you beget your slayer.
Was
not this advice superfluous, seeing that the end must come?
Accordingly we find that the oracle does not deter Laius from begetting
a son, nor that son from being his slayer. On the whole, I cannot
see that your prophecies entitle you to reward, even setting aside the
obscurity of the oracles, which are generally contrived to cut both
ways. You omitted to mention, for instance, whether Croesus-"
the Halys crossed' -should destroy his own or Cyrus's "mighty
realm.' It might be either, so far as the oracle goes.
Zeus. Apollo was angry with Croesus. When Croesus
boiled that lamb and tortoise together in the cauldron, he was making
trial of Apollo.
Cyn. Gods ought not to be angry. After all, I suppose
it was fated that the Lydian should misinterpret that oracle; his
case only serves to illustrate that general ignorance of the future,
which Destiny has appointed for mankind. At that rate, your
prophetic power too seems to be in her hands.
The
Problem of Reward and Punishment
Zeus. You leave us nothing, then? We exercise no
control, we are not entitled to sacrifice, we are very drills and adzes.
But you may well despise me: why do I sit here listening to all this,
with my thunderbolt beneath my arm?
Cyn. No, strike me, if the thunder-bolt is my destiny. I
shall think none the worse of you; I shall know it is all Clotho's
doing; I will not even blame the bolt that wounds me. And by the
way-talking of thunder-bolts- there is one thing I will ask you and
Destiny to explain; you can answer for her. Why is it that you
leave all the pirates and temple-robbers and ruffians and perjurers to
themselves, and direct your shafts (as you are always doing) against an
oak tree or a stone or a harmless mast, or even an honest, God-fearing traveler?... No answer? Is this one of the things it is not
proper for me to know?
Zeus. It is, Cyniscus. You are a meddlesome fellow; I
don't know where you picked up all these ideas.
Cyn. Well, I suppose I must not ask you all (Providence
and Destiny and you) why honest Phocion died in utter poverty and
destitution, like Aristides before him, while those two unwhipped
puppies, Callias and Alcibiades, and the ruffian Midias, and that
Aeginetan libertine Charops, who starved his own mother to death, were
all rolling in money? nor again why Socrates was handed over to the
Eleven instead of Meletus? nor yet why the effeminate Sardanapalus
was a king, and one high-minded Persian after another went to the cross for
refusing to countenance his doings? I say nothing of our own days,
in which villains and money-grubbers prosper, and honest men are
oppressed with want and sickness and a thousand distresses, and can
hardly call their souls their own.
Zeus. Surely you know, Cyniscus, what punishments await the
evil-doers after death, and how happy will be the lot of the righteous?
Cyn. Ah, to be sure: Hades-Tityus-Tantalus. Whether
there is such a place as Hades, I shall be able to satisfy myself when I
die. In the meantime, I had rather live a pleasant life here, and
have a score or so of vultures at my liver when I am dead, than thirst
like Tantalus in this world, on the chance of drinking with the heroes
in the Isles of the Blest, and reclining in the fields of Elysium.
Zeus. What! you doubt that there are punishments and
rewards to come? You doubt of that judgement-seat before which
every soul is arraigned?
Cyn. I have heard mention of a judge in that
connection; one Minos, a Cretan. Ah, yes, tell me about him:
they say he is your son?
Zeus. And what of him?
Cyn. Whom does he punish in particular?
Zeus. Whom but the wicked? Murderers, for instance,
and temple-robbers.
Cyn. And whom does he send to dwell with the heroes?
Zeus. Good men and God-fearing, who have led virtuous
lives.
Cyn. Why?
Zeus. Because they deserve punishment and reward respectively.
Cyn. Suppose a man commits a crime accidentally: does
he punish him just the same?
Zeus. Certainly not.
Cyn. Similarly, if a man involuntarily performed a good
action, he would not reward him?
Zeus. No.
Cyn.
Then there is no one for him to reward or punish.
Zeus.
How so?
Cyn.
Why, we men do nothing of our own free will: we are obeying an
irresistible impulse,-that is, if there is any truth in what we settled
just now, about Fate's being the cause of everything. Does a man
commit a murder? Fate is the murderess. Does he rob a
temple? He has her instructions for it. So if there is going
to be any justice in Minos's sentences, he will punish Destiny, not
Sisyphus; Fate, not Tantalus. What harm did these men do?
They only obeyed orders.
Zeus. I am not going to speak to you any more. You
are an unscrupulous man; a sophist. I shall go away and leave you
to yourself.
Cyn. I wanted to ask you where the Fates lived; and how
they managed to attend to all the details of such a vast mass of
business, just those three. I do not envy them their lot; they
must have a busy time of it, with so much on their hands. Their
destiny, apparently, is no better than other people's. I would
not exchange with them, if I had a choice; I had rather be poorer than I
am, than sit before such a spindleful, watching every thread. But never
mind, if you would rather not answer. Your previous replies have
quite cleared up my doubts about Destiny and Providence, and for the
rest, I expect I was not destined to hear it. |